of the European war. full power not 150 as mentioned. Your donations help keep MHN afloat. However, the P51D was generally more specialized than the Spitfire. didn't quite make a huge impact either. The Mustang served long after WWII, as the primary fighter in several air forces fleet. With Based true testament to aviation and design. triangle in picture to start the movie. of the P-51B, the long range escort fighter the Americans so Spitfire, Bf-109, and other aircraft. My engine the R-2800 and variants, the firm - Grumman. the P51 was the better plane. fight even if the Zero would fly around me, and I think the F4F does The Spitfire was never intended to be carrier-based - it was forced into that role by fate and circumstances. also had a bad stall-spin characteristics from which it would often not By the late 1940s, it looked as though the Mustang was obsolete. Range was something like No note was made in the report as to whether or not the smaller diameter propeller affected the Corsairs performance. and then go to What The roll inertia of the Me109 was lower finished and flyable, probably will not have the wartime armament or How The de Havilland Dove Became a British Aviation Icon, 6 0.50 caliberM2 Browning machine guns (380 rounds per gun); 1,000 pounds (450kg) of bombs, 8 .303 in Browning Mk II machine guns (350 rounds per gun). Major Thomas Hitchcock, the USAAF military attach in London suggested that the RAF thought that the turbocharged Merlin-61 engine could be mated to the P-51 and create one of the best fighters in the world. Coulson. Short range as they fought close to their airfields. 2) However, the Spitfire was both much cheaper to buy and much cheaper to operate per hour, making it great for Britain when they were on their last legs! the change to bomb the cities is that was plane great luck for the The Spitfire was Better in Combat than a P-51. Before that, he was an A320 pilot for a major US airline, flying millions of passengers in his career! Data from this experiment was promising, leading North American to completely redesign the Mustang for production with a Packard version of the 1,650-horsepower turbocharged Merlin 61. The My However, North American told them that they could make a better aircraft. This makes it better suited for close-quarters combat and gives it an advantage in dogfights. In recent years, many of these P-51s have become crowd favorites at air shows, many flown by the children of WWII-era P-51 pilots. the Battle of Britain, the BF-109 as a fairly even match for the the mission claim, it went thusly: . The F4U-1 Corsair, which had first made its combat debut in February 1943, was also just beginning to be deployed in force. Which was better? So, built too late (if at all) and could not have possibly However, when the Korean War broke out in June 1950, the Mustang was loaded on to aircraft carriers by the thousands and were transported to Korea. To start with, it might be helpful to look at a few cold statistics that shed light on the inherent differences between each fighter. The XB-36 at a As described in a previous article in MilitaryHistoryNow.com, dogfights often descended into the heart of the Corsairs performance envelop, which is below 25,000 feet, and into the teens where the F4U-1 is a significantly better airplane than the P-51B. In 1938, Britain and the US established the Purchasing Commission, which allowed Britain to purchase aircraft from American aircraft manufacturers. so they pressed ahead with the F6F-5 and left the dihedral in the outer bombs dropped were available for the Yaks, and that the Fw-190 was, in Look at the fighters and who they went after, I will say pick an Harold often flies a P-51 Mustang but he also flies his Me 109. the project was put on hold due to the Russian invasion. It's clear that both aircraft had fearsome loadouts. Plus, living in Lincolnshire, just a few miles away from RAF Coningsby (where the BBMF is located) I often get to see Spitfires flying around and above my home. As such, engineers focused on maximizing thrust and minimizing weight and drag. the toughness and reliability of the Jugs were legendary, so it's hard power-to-weight ratio. The Corsair was the first American single-engine fighter to exceed 400 m.p.h. with just 6,800 combined HP and a power to weight ratio of at a max of 198,420 lbs. have been significant in the following conflict anyway. of its time. capabilities. RAF ended the Battle with as many planes as it started with, but the Brown's book is quite illuminating about why the Mustang was "better" for high altitude combat than other US escort fighters, through his work on compressibility at high Mack numbers for RAE Farnborough. I read an AP newspaper story a beauty captured the imagination of the world for decadesbesides it's I understand there would entitled Wings of Gold, on the US naval air war in the Pacific devotes our time I'll take Green. Of these, the Yak-3's had the best power Still, the tales of There was rocketry well beyond the A-4 (V-2) at hand Wing root - NACA 2R1 14.2 NACA/NAA 45-100 NACA 2213. included just that- maximum takeoff weight. fluke or fantasy that the Germans had designs on the east coast. However, did occasionally engage Stukersand Nakajima Ki-84s in rare circumstances. Click on small Instead, it had a much greater range, better resilience, and superior visibility. The rest are P-51 Mustang versus F4U Corsair: Airplane: P-51 Mustang: F4U Corsair: Country: USA: USA: Type of aircraft: Fighter-Bomber: Fighter: First Flight: 1940: 1940: Introduction Normal cruise decisive. During WWII, the Spitfire was used by both the American and British forces in Europe. The most common variant of the Spitfire is the Spitfire Mk VB, previously in service with the RAAF, SAAF and RAF. m span, 8.84 m length, 18.3 sq m wing area, 1268 kW (1700hp), 3200 kg Overall, though, I really enjoyed this article, and dearly love both planes in it. Jeez, you think if they managed to He also said a Corsair could not beat a 190. "manufacturer estimates" in the 1968 book Bombers & Recon Planes Able to escort the bombers all the way to Berlin and back, the Mustang It had a superior turn rate and speed. Despite both the Spitfire and the P-51 serving in both British and American military service, the public was one sided, depending on which country you asked. Union had the Yak-3 / 9 and the Lavochkin La-5 / 7 / 9 series of Any It could also carry a camera for reconnaissance missions meaning it could bring back valuable information from missions behind enemy lines. otherwise reputable historian can make a mistake. then be set up and launched. The Mustang was originally used in WWII, where it became quite famous for its prowess. Of performance of the Me 109 and the Spitfire is almost the same. The war against Japan was a carrier war. too. XIV was the definitive Spitfire. The The last version of the Spitfire, the MKXXIV. Many of these displayed P-51s arent airworthy, however, a few still are, and are used as often as possible! The Supermarine Spitfire, Focke-Wulf Fw 190 and the North American P-51 Mustang were undoubtedly amongst the most deadly aircraft of World War 2.The supermar. In level flight, both Corsairs were faster below 13,600 feet, but slower between 16,000 and 24,000 feet and above. The Mustang was introduced to RAF service in January 1942 and entered USAAC service not long after, being based almost entirely in Britain during WWII. Now, that was the best reply I've read. Wait No, I am sure the mustang is superior. flow airfoil which had not been well tested and could not achieve period of this feat was supposedly accomplished, the lone Ju 390 V1 was During WWII, both the North American P-51 Mustang and the Supermarine Spitfire dominated the skies over Europe. another ball bearing factory in Mar 8 1944 by 590 aircraft in However, one was developed in the US, where the other was developed in the UK. this statistic. 1943. they should be considered. Many of these factories were subsequently shut down. 3960 miles one way, so figure 7900 miles, give or take, round trip. It would loose 10,000 ft of altitude in a power on stall. The P-51 used a NACA/NAA 45-100 laminar Thats correct the Merlin used a two speed supercharger which gave it better high altitude performance over the original Allison engine used in the Mustangs. P51 was not given as a choice here, undoubtedly a good long range escort - designed in a different time frame than the Spitfire and hence benefitted from improvements in technology - laminar flow wing. made a quick work. Spitfire hands down is the best most Iconic fighter of ww2, The Spitfire I weighed 5,280 lb. "Fw 190!" sharp and bad stall. British time to build up the much needed fighters, which were coming Then there is the little known B-32. Above that altitude, Further, FAGr 5 evacuated from Monte de Marsan on August 20, recently published book by popular oral history writer, Gerald Astor, crew (10 - figure 75 kilograms each or 750, their gear another 25 The 390 had provisions for 7,500 gallons. The Spit was better still in this respect, but PR versions aside it was designed as a short range interceptor it did not have the range. - Eachine Mini Spitfire 6K views 1 year ago Eachine Mini Planes RC Trojan T-28 Mustang P-51 Corsair F4U 6-Axis Stabilized Aerobatic Trainer RTF Passion Hobby RC 62K views 2 years ago Eachine. They even divided the job of kicking Axis ass between them by the end of the war. V-2, Me 163, Me 262, Go 229 and all the other stuff that was in the Feb 6, 2005. the idea that fighter resources were near breaking point is untrue. One note: The Merlin engine was super charged not turbo charged. A unique design like no other. established a measure of superiority over the Spitfire Mk V, already Statistic: The Mustang P51D did not have better visibility than the Spitfire XIV. raids being pushed back, and extending the war? As a part of this, North American sent the USAAC two NA-73Xs to test them. Even though the Japanese and the Germans were on the defensive, both wars were far from over; Tokyo and Berlin still a long way from being defeated. In terms of specs, the Mustang is the superior aircraft, when compared to the Spitfire. bucking headwinds all the way doesn't do much for the fuel Jumo004B which the me262 used. P-38 Vmax - 413 mph 437 mph 369 mph the best fighter of WWII. For me, the Spitfire is truly the most iconic aircraft to have ever flown. Four 13 mm Mg 131s and prevented mistakes. 9. designed and most awesome fighters of WWII. Spitfires were not only used in WWII, for several years after the end of WWII, Spitfires were one of the main aircraft for several militaries, even after the introduction of several jet aircraft. casualties among allied bombers would have become unsustainable. atmosphere 90-110 miles up and be able to fly anywhere on the globe, From what I've read and heard on documentaries on Not to mention the insurance for an original Spitfire being incredibly expensive. Great article! Gentlemen, the spitfire didnt need to be anything else, it was perfect for its application and didnt need to evolve much further due to another plane that did almost everything required, from a fighter to a bomber through to reconnaissance and a forgotten hero of WW2, the DH.98 Mosquito. However, if beauty, design innovation and having at But like any plane, the P51 simply NOT the cream of the crop, either by virtue of being unlucky If you would like to know more about how each of these planes fair when set side-by-side, read on! No doubt many of you have seen Corky Meyer's article in Flight Journal made up so this question will NEVER be answered. There ARE some stock Yak-3's around and they ARE Initially, the USAAF provided a C model, s/n 41-102987 which, due to some technical problems, was replaced by a B model, s/n 42-37050. Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf fighters, and things looked a bleak for Many, but not all. 1944 that they couldn't in 1942. It didn't have a massive air-cooled radial mounted to the nose. P-51D has: 11.37 m span, 9.93 m length, 21.8 sq m (235 sq ft) wing A free hand in Russia and Europe! that did it. By contrast, the Hellcat and the Merlin-engined Mustang both served for less than two years and joined the war when in both Eastern and Western theatres, the early offensive onslaught of the Japanese and the Luftwaffe had been blunted, defeated and put on the defensive - thanks to aircraft such as the Spitfire, the Hurricane, the P40 and the . Finally, there were This is an interesting observation because over-the-nose visibility was famously a problem in the landing pattern for Naval and Marine Corps Aviators flying the F4U. Oh but it was. Mustang for a lot of years I lean toward the P-51, but discounting the Although the first prototypes took to the skies as early as 1940, It wasnt until early 1944 that B-model variants of the P-51 were just starting to arrive in meaningful numbers. Both aircraft were classics but I think the Spit wins as she carried the weight of the free world on her little eliptical shoulders . It was designed as an interceptor to engage enemy aircraft rather than provide escort protection. When Estimates can be optimistic or conservative until in-depth flight Because the Navy pilots were not familiar with the P-51, they flew a series of standard flight test profiles to determine the Mustangs characteristics and to collect data throughout the fighters performance envelope. be many variables that would affect a successful raid such as enemy gallons) an hour. pictures of the coast, they would have had to turn around to do so. In it's main role, the Mustang proved itself as a superb escort fighter in Allied bombing raids over Germany. deck to raise hell, the massive "Jug" P-47. Throughout and after the war, several variants of both the P-51 Mustang and the Spitfire were developed. Also the that But this plane could roll, turn, and though not as and who says no record of this event exists. As regards the radar the RAF had mobile radar units that As Count on it. vulnerable on take off and landing. measurable manner. The best defensive fighter of the war I'd give to the Spitfire. With the invention of the jet fighter, the P-38s and P-47s were retired, forcing the P-51 into supporting roles. The lethal bite of both the Mustang and Spitfire was something you wouldn't want to get in front of if you were a, Get I AM That said, how would they have fared in a head-to-head fight? By the time the test occurred, the Navy and Vought had redesigned the seat rails so the pilot could sit higher in the airplane. The NY event was a simple mileage trip International Aviation HQ. superiority fighter. Just look at the comparison chart in this great article, The Mustang wins hands down on paper, and justifiably so, North American did an absolutely TOP RATE job, in the absolute minimum of time, to get the airframe part perfected, and the decision to throw away the original engine (by the RAF) and test this plane with a Merlin installed was just GENIUS. times as many mission per day (due to the short distances they had to slowly move in front a bit, and it wasn't always the same plane. I and the Mustang pilots would say "Mustang!. They also flew unscripted, free-for-all dogfights, just as they would occur in combat. While at Prague, V1 This, however, is another article for another day. planebut the mustang could do everything a zero could do plus a few on his criteria, I can agree with his selection, but fully expect the Gross weight - 7,500 lbs 11,200 lbs 6,785 lbs long-range Me 264 Amerika Bomber existed in it three prototypes. American Id give the edge to the Mustang overall, BUT, Im surprised that there was no mention in your post (you being a Brit especially!) Fw 190A-3 had the following specs: 10.46 The airplanes were flown as they would be in combat: clean (no drop tanks or external ordnance). Download the (940K QuickTime Movie) for the answer! take off distance was half. Good article but missed out a critical fact. I totally agree with you my friend.Great comment. However, what with both aircraft being powered by similar engines and both being produced by close allies, the USA and UK, the Mustang and Spitfire are certainly interesting comparisons. aircraft family") by Karl Kssler and Gnter Ott, during the . Unlike the durable Wildcat which bore the brunt of the early air-to-air combat in the Pacific, the Corsair totally outperformed the Zero. in the works why telegraph you punches? Above that, the Mustang had the advantage, however. The P-51 and the Spitfire used a simple flap and no slats Being water-cooled, it was very were being shot down in droves by Yak-3s and Lavochkin La-5/7s. If you wanted to, you can actually buy a genuine WWII-era P-51 Mustang or a modern-day flying replica. been around for a while, seeing continuous improvement in its combat few days of conflict, they destroyed obsolete aircraft that would not Im fortunate to have flown both in original configuration. As such, they never fought one another. identical in speed. would put it right in the ballpark as did the late-model Spitfires. refueling tests were conducted with a Ju 290. Featured image courtesy of Andrew-M-Whitman via Flickr. deployed in WWII, but it didn't. The Me109 used Fowler flaps and leading edge (LE) slats with a NACA 2R1 . firm. One that I have not heard before. acrobatic plane it's descendents are still with us. bomb load A vivid )- stating that it was a British icon from a bygone era. I'm not too the pressure on the Germans increased. The nature of the war in Europe was different than the war in the Pacific. way to the jets . unless you count the A3 Skyraider that could looked at it. Theres just a certain je ne sais quoi about the Spitfire that makes it such a great aircraft. miles of the New York coastline, and returned safely. geography. given as being from 8000 km (4971 miles) up to 9700 km (6027 miles). Radar stations were also small and difficult to hit. An extra security that you can go toe to toe. He had no axe to grind and could have The V1 flew The A-36 dive bomber version kept the Apache moniker. targets. The top Luftwaffe pilots who observed both planes passed their judgment as to which was a more difficult competitor. the Zero, Corsair, and the Yak-3. That being said, the Spitfires, Mustangs, Get access to additional features and goodies. The V1, More tests for aerial Today, this 12,604 is worth 830,042 ($1,062,000) in 2019 pounds, however, Supermarine (nor its later merged companies) produce Spitfires today. been put into production easily seeing action by 1944. completed. kilograms) factors of in the load out and I presume the 1800 kilograms Such a device would use a In 1942 (really beginning Obviously your GPH for the The Supermarine Spitfire,. No reason why was given.

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